Almost 93,000,000 (now 94,000,000?) people are not in the labor force in this country! Are they unemployed? Did they "give up"?
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Latest Nov. 2015 numbers details HERE.
December numbers to be released Friday, January 8, 2016.
December numbers to be released Friday, January 8, 2016.
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Note: This report, the breakdown of people not in the Labor Force, was updated for April 2015 HERE. As it does not change very much month to month, it will not be updated for several months. For other information on the labor force, please visit THIS LINK.
Where do these 93,000,000 people not in the labor force get money? How do they live? How do they eat? (The breakdown of these 93 million (94 million) below will help to answer that question.)
Some are lamenting: "The number of people NOT in the labor force increased by 1,200,000 over the past year and by 456,000 over the past month! It just keeps going up! This must be a horrible thing! Why do so many people keep "dropping out" of the work force? Is the government lying to us about things getting better? This can't be any kind of recovery.... can it?"
Continue reading below.....
Breaking down the "Not in the Labor Force" pie:
As usual, whenever the unemployment rate ticks down, as it has been over the past five years, the naysayers will point out --- with alarm --- the increasing number of people who are "not in the labor (work) force". The assumption seems to be that the job situation is so miserable that people are dropping out of the labor force, ceasing to look for work, by the droves. (For the record, there are now 157,072,000 people IN the civilian labor force. Definition below.)
Let me make something clear: YES, we STILL do have a problem with unemployment and underemployment in this country. We've had a problem since the poor economic recovery of the early 2000's! But misrepresenting the facts and numbers of labor participation and who is or who is not in the labor force will NOT clarify the issues of unemployment one tiny bit. So let's look at some of those facts and numbers.
First of all, people "not in the labor force" are NOT "unemployed". "Unemployment" has a very specific meaning for labor economists. The meaning of "unemployment" has NOT CHANGED in decades. It means:
Let me make something clear: YES, we STILL do have a problem with unemployment and underemployment in this country. We've had a problem since the poor economic recovery of the early 2000's! But misrepresenting the facts and numbers of labor participation and who is or who is not in the labor force will NOT clarify the issues of unemployment one tiny bit. So let's look at some of those facts and numbers.
First of all, people "not in the labor force" are NOT "unemployed". "Unemployment" has a very specific meaning for labor economists. The meaning of "unemployment" has NOT CHANGED in decades. It means:
- People not working for pay, not for an employer and not self-employed.
- People who want a job or some kind of employment.
- People who are ACTIVELY seeking (within the last four weeks) a job or some kind of employment. People who want a job but who aren't looking for work are NOT considered unemployed, which makes sense. (If you aren't looking for work, how is an employer supposed to find you? Is the job fairy supposed to sit on your head?)
The reality of people "not in the labor force" may be different than you have been led to believe. Considering all of the hullabaloo about "people dropping out of the labor force", this chart may surprise you:
Who Are the People "Not in the Labor Force" (as of November 2014)?
Who Are the People "Not in the Labor Force" (as of November 2014)?
Did you notice that big pink chunk of the chart?
Those are people 55 years and up who are not only NOT working, not only NOT looking for work, but who say that they DO NOT WANT A JOB, at least not now. And there are millions upon millions of people who fall into this category.. About 50 million of them. More information below.
How do they survive and pay their bills? If they are retired, they are surviving on pensions, on assets, on Social Security benefits, perhaps on part-time jobs. And some of them probably have working spouses.
Are people really dropping out of the labor force?
Well, first of all, "dropping out" of the labor force for whatever reason, including despairing of not finding a job, is not the definition of "not in the labor force". Let's explore what it means when someone talks about people "not in the labor force" and people "dropping out of the labor force".
How do you get to be "not in the labor force"?
People "not in the labor force" first of all, have to be IN the "civilian non-institutional population age 16+"; in other words:
Let's repeat this:
How do people "drop out of the labor force"?
1) They stop working and they do not look for work. (Think RETIREMENT.) Or: 2) They were unemployed and they stop looking for work. There are a few exceptions: People who are on temporary layoff from their jobs are in the labor force and are counted as unemployed and do not have to look for work while they are on temporary layoff. People who are ill or on vacation but have a job and intend to return to work ARE in the labor force and are counted as employed.
People may leave the labor force if they quit their jobs to stay home with their children, if they become disabled and cannot work, if they retire. Also young people in high school or college may not be working and may not be looking for work while they are enrolled in school.
But "dropping out of the labor force" is not necessarily the same as being "not in the labor force". When young people turn 16 years old, unless they have a job or are actively looking for a job, they are "not in the labor force" by definition. Since they never were in the labor force, they haven't dropped out.
Also assuming that people who leave the labor force do so because they are in despair about not finding a job is a very bad, very misleading assumption, as you will see at the bottom of this page in the discussion of labor market "flows".
What we know and don't know about people "not in the labor force"Those are people 55 years and up who are not only NOT working, not only NOT looking for work, but who say that they DO NOT WANT A JOB, at least not now. And there are millions upon millions of people who fall into this category.. About 50 million of them. More information below.
How do they survive and pay their bills? If they are retired, they are surviving on pensions, on assets, on Social Security benefits, perhaps on part-time jobs. And some of them probably have working spouses.
Are people really dropping out of the labor force?
Well, first of all, "dropping out" of the labor force for whatever reason, including despairing of not finding a job, is not the definition of "not in the labor force". Let's explore what it means when someone talks about people "not in the labor force" and people "dropping out of the labor force".
How do you get to be "not in the labor force"?
People "not in the labor force" first of all, have to be IN the "civilian non-institutional population age 16+"; in other words:
- At least age 16,
- Not active military,
- Not in prison, not in a nursing home or similar institution.
- There is no upper age limit to the "civilian non-institutional population ", so 85 year old grandmas would be counted as "not in the labor force" if they live at home or with family vs. a nursing home.
Let's repeat this:
- People in the civilian non-institutional population who are actively, officially unemployed are IN the labor force.
- People in the civilian non-institutional population who are employed (full-time, part-time, self-employed) are IN the labor force.
- All other people in the civilian non-institutional population are NOT IN the labor force.
How do people "drop out of the labor force"?
1) They stop working and they do not look for work. (Think RETIREMENT.) Or: 2) They were unemployed and they stop looking for work. There are a few exceptions: People who are on temporary layoff from their jobs are in the labor force and are counted as unemployed and do not have to look for work while they are on temporary layoff. People who are ill or on vacation but have a job and intend to return to work ARE in the labor force and are counted as employed.
People may leave the labor force if they quit their jobs to stay home with their children, if they become disabled and cannot work, if they retire. Also young people in high school or college may not be working and may not be looking for work while they are enrolled in school.
But "dropping out of the labor force" is not necessarily the same as being "not in the labor force". When young people turn 16 years old, unless they have a job or are actively looking for a job, they are "not in the labor force" by definition. Since they never were in the labor force, they haven't dropped out.
Also assuming that people who leave the labor force do so because they are in despair about not finding a job is a very bad, very misleading assumption, as you will see at the bottom of this page in the discussion of labor market "flows".
First, we have no idea WHY most people are not in the labor force; that is, we don't know why someone stopped working, is no longer looking for work, or never worked or looked for work, which is the definition of "not in the labor force". Did they retire? Go to school? Stay home with a baby? Become disabled? Did they stop looking for work because they gave up on finding work? Are they independently wealthy and don't need to work? We don't have definitive answers to these questions.
We DO know, however, how many people not in the labor force (who aren't working or actively looking for work) "want a job", and we have some figures on why those people who "want a job" have not looked for work in the past month. We also have a good idea about how many might be so discouraged that they decided to stop looking for work. We know more about the 16-24 year old crowd and how many of them are or are not still in school.
How are the people "not in the labor force" living and paying their bills?
Based on the demographics of the people "not in the labor force", we know that most of them are retired. They are surviving on pensions, assets, Social Security benefits, perhaps part-time jobs, and some of them probably still have a working spouse.
The next largest piece of the pie are students; if they are in high school or college, they are probably being supported by their parents.
People from 24 to 54 who are not working are probably mostly people home with children. They are being supported by the working spouse.
How are the people "not in the labor force" living and paying their bills?
Based on the demographics of the people "not in the labor force", we know that most of them are retired. They are surviving on pensions, assets, Social Security benefits, perhaps part-time jobs, and some of them probably still have a working spouse.
The next largest piece of the pie are students; if they are in high school or college, they are probably being supported by their parents.
People from 24 to 54 who are not working are probably mostly people home with children. They are being supported by the working spouse.
People Age 55+
Yep, that big bright pink piece of pie on the chart above represents 49,555,000 people who are 55+ years of age and claim that they DO NOT want a job. That is over half, actually 53.5%, of the 92,547,000 people in the "civilian non-institutional population age 16+" who were "not in the labor force" in November.
Notice the relatively tiny slivers of people in this age bracket who want a job but have not looked in the past year ( yellow sliver), and the even smaller sliver of people in this age bracket who want a job and HAVE actually looked for work in the past year (green sliver). Over all, 55.3% of the people "not in the labor force" are 55 or over. That's 51,219,000 out of 92,547,000. To repeat, of the 51,219,000 people 55+ and over not in the labor force, 49,555,000, or 96.8%, say that they DO NOT want a job.
As we said above, over half of the people "NOT in the LABOR FORCE" are in that one big bucket. And that percentage has gone up about 2% over the past 18 months.
As we said above, over half of the people "NOT in the LABOR FORCE" are in that one big bucket. And that percentage has gone up about 2% over the past 18 months.
People Aged 25-54
We know less and can surmise less about the 25-54 year olds who are not in the labor force. Again very few of them "want a job" when compared to the people in this age group who DO NOT "want a job". We can assume that many in this group are people who are home with their children, but we don't know this from any statistics provided by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
We know that there are about 23,734,000 people aged 25 to 54 who are not in the labor force and that most of them, 20,977,000 (88.4%) do NOT want a job. Those people are represented by the silver pie piece. The smaller slivers of pie represent people who are not in the labor force but want a job and HAVE looked for work within the past year (aqua blue sliver of pie) and people who are not in the labor force but want a job who HAVE NOT looked for work in the past year (coral sliver of pie).
People Aged 16 - 24
The Bureau of Labor Statistics includes people who are 16 or over, not in the military, and not institutionalized as part of the "civilian non-institutional population". This includes young people in high school and college.
It should not be surprising that a very low percentage of these young people, 55%, are "in the labor force"; that is, they are either employed or actively looking for work. Also, most people in this age group who are "in the labor force" are either working part-time or looking for part-time vs. full-time work. Very few teenagers (16 to 19 year olds) say they want work want full-time work. Only about 3% of 16 to 19 years olds want full-time work.
The overwhelming majority of people who are "not in the labor force" in the 20-24 year old age group are people who are in school (red piece of pie). A much smaller population is not in school and not in the labor force (blue piece of pie). In this group of people who are not in school and not in the labor force, women outnumber men about 2 to 1, so we can assume that at least some of these people are not in the labor force because they are tending young children.
The Civilian Labor Force numbers
There are 249,027,000 people in the "civilian non-institutional population 16+" in this country in December 2014. 156,129,000 are IN the civilian work force, meaning they are either employed or actively looking for work. 92,898,000 (in seasonally adjusted numbers) are "NOT IN the labor force" meaning they are NOT employed or earning money through labor and they haven't looked for work in the past month, though they may have been employed or looked for work in the past year. (The numbers used in the graph are seasonally unadjusted "raw" numbers, as the breakdown isn't available in seasonally adjusted numbers. As a result, the total of people not in the labor force is a bit larger in "raw" numbers than it is in seasonally adjusted numbers.)
Breakdown of those "Not in the Labor Force"
The pie represents the breakdown of the 93,506,000 people NOT in the labor force in December 2014 in numbers that are NOT adjusted for seasonal variation:
Age 16 - 24: 17,941,000 people
We know that there are about 23,734,000 people aged 25 to 54 who are not in the labor force and that most of them, 20,977,000 (88.4%) do NOT want a job. Those people are represented by the silver pie piece. The smaller slivers of pie represent people who are not in the labor force but want a job and HAVE looked for work within the past year (aqua blue sliver of pie) and people who are not in the labor force but want a job who HAVE NOT looked for work in the past year (coral sliver of pie).
People Aged 16 - 24
The Bureau of Labor Statistics includes people who are 16 or over, not in the military, and not institutionalized as part of the "civilian non-institutional population". This includes young people in high school and college.
It should not be surprising that a very low percentage of these young people, 55%, are "in the labor force"; that is, they are either employed or actively looking for work. Also, most people in this age group who are "in the labor force" are either working part-time or looking for part-time vs. full-time work. Very few teenagers (16 to 19 year olds) say they want work want full-time work. Only about 3% of 16 to 19 years olds want full-time work.
The overwhelming majority of people who are "not in the labor force" in the 20-24 year old age group are people who are in school (red piece of pie). A much smaller population is not in school and not in the labor force (blue piece of pie). In this group of people who are not in school and not in the labor force, women outnumber men about 2 to 1, so we can assume that at least some of these people are not in the labor force because they are tending young children.
The Civilian Labor Force numbers
There are 249,027,000 people in the "civilian non-institutional population 16+" in this country in December 2014. 156,129,000 are IN the civilian work force, meaning they are either employed or actively looking for work. 92,898,000 (in seasonally adjusted numbers) are "NOT IN the labor force" meaning they are NOT employed or earning money through labor and they haven't looked for work in the past month, though they may have been employed or looked for work in the past year. (The numbers used in the graph are seasonally unadjusted "raw" numbers, as the breakdown isn't available in seasonally adjusted numbers. As a result, the total of people not in the labor force is a bit larger in "raw" numbers than it is in seasonally adjusted numbers.)
Breakdown of those "Not in the Labor Force"
The pie represents the breakdown of the 93,506,000 people NOT in the labor force in December 2014 in numbers that are NOT adjusted for seasonal variation:
Age 16 - 24: 17,941,000 people
- In school: 14,398,000 (red piece of pie - 15.4% of pie)
- Not in school: 3,543,000 (blue piece of pie - 3.8% of pie)
- (Note: Some of both groups want a job (1,896,000 in total), with 950,000 having looked in the past year. This is not broken down on the pie chart above.)
Age 25 - 54: 23,912,000 people
- DO NOT want a job: 21,336,000 (silver piece of pie - 22.8% of pie)
- Say they want a job but HAVE NOT looked in the past year: 1,296,000 (coral piece of pie - 1.4% of pie)
- Want a job and HAVE LOOKED in the past year: 1,281,000 (aqua blue piece of pie - 1.4% of pie)
Age 55+: 51,652,000 people
- DO NOT want a job: 49,913,000 (bright pink piece of pie - 53.4% of pie)
- Say they want a job but HAVE NOT looked in the past year: 1,067,000 (yellow piece of pie - 1.14% of pie)
- Want a job and HAVE LOOKED in the past year: 672,000 (green piece of pie - 0.7% of pie)
Labor Force "Flows"
The labor force is very volatile. Millions of people are hired, fired, or quit their jobs every month. Millions join and leave the labor force every month. The monthly jobs reports use "net" numbers, so the number of people employed this month, for instance, is equivalent to the number of people who were working in the last month PLUS the number of people who were hired in the last month MINUS the number of people who were "separated" (quit, laid off, fired, retired) in the last month. When we have more people hired than people who quit, were laid off, or retired, we have INCREASES in jobs and employment. When we have more people who quit, are laid off, or retired than we have people who were hired, we have DECREASES in jobs and employment.
The "flows" reports tell us how many people moved from "employed" to "unemployed" or from "not in the labor force" to "employed" every month. I haven't yet recently updated this information, but in April 2015, 4,341,000 people who had been employed in March left their jobs and are not looking for other jobs. Retired? Disabled? Taking a temporary break from employment? As mentioned above, we really don't know, but we do know that they had a job in March and now they aren't even looking for work. Despair? If they aren't looking for work? Not likely, as they were working last month!
Meanwhile, this group is largely offset by 4,296,000 people who were not in the labor force in March who looked and found jobs. We have 45,000 MORE people "net" who were employed in March but are now not in the labor force.
Meanwhile, 2,132,000 people who were unemployed (actively looking for work) in March 2015 stopped searching for work for some reason, perhaps including despair, but we don't know that for sure. This group was offset by 2,296,000 people who were not in the labor force in March but started looking for work (and thus became officially unemployed) in April. So we actually had 164,000 MORE people in the labor force and looking for work in April than in March.
What's the bottom line with this "flows" stuff?
The bottom line of "flows" is that the biggest increase in people "not in the labor force" came from people leaving EMPLOYMENT, NOT from people giving up job searches for whatever reason, including despair.
The labor force is very volatile. Millions of people are hired, fired, or quit their jobs every month. Millions join and leave the labor force every month. The monthly jobs reports use "net" numbers, so the number of people employed this month, for instance, is equivalent to the number of people who were working in the last month PLUS the number of people who were hired in the last month MINUS the number of people who were "separated" (quit, laid off, fired, retired) in the last month. When we have more people hired than people who quit, were laid off, or retired, we have INCREASES in jobs and employment. When we have more people who quit, are laid off, or retired than we have people who were hired, we have DECREASES in jobs and employment.
The "flows" reports tell us how many people moved from "employed" to "unemployed" or from "not in the labor force" to "employed" every month. I haven't yet recently updated this information, but in April 2015, 4,341,000 people who had been employed in March left their jobs and are not looking for other jobs. Retired? Disabled? Taking a temporary break from employment? As mentioned above, we really don't know, but we do know that they had a job in March and now they aren't even looking for work. Despair? If they aren't looking for work? Not likely, as they were working last month!
Meanwhile, this group is largely offset by 4,296,000 people who were not in the labor force in March who looked and found jobs. We have 45,000 MORE people "net" who were employed in March but are now not in the labor force.
Meanwhile, 2,132,000 people who were unemployed (actively looking for work) in March 2015 stopped searching for work for some reason, perhaps including despair, but we don't know that for sure. This group was offset by 2,296,000 people who were not in the labor force in March but started looking for work (and thus became officially unemployed) in April. So we actually had 164,000 MORE people in the labor force and looking for work in April than in March.
What's the bottom line with this "flows" stuff?
The bottom line of "flows" is that the biggest increase in people "not in the labor force" came from people leaving EMPLOYMENT, NOT from people giving up job searches for whatever reason, including despair.
More information about people "Not in the Labor Force" and the Labor Participation Rate HERE.
The numbers for this article were taken primarily from these two Bureau of Labor Statistics charts: Persons not in the labor force by desire and availability for work and Employment of the civilian non-institutional population 16 -24 years of age.
Thank you Molly for putting this together. We will be asked by the Republicans - are our lives better under Obama? And the answer will be no... here are some facts:
ReplyDeleteNew Data Says 49.7 Million Are Now Poor, with 80% of the Total Population near Poverty http://countercurrentnews.com/2013/11/in-the-u-s-49-7-million-are-now-poor-and-80-of-the-total-population-is-near-poverty/
We have a Poverty Crisis in the United States and our elected leaders are doing nothing!
1. Record number of students living in poverty (50%)
2. Record number of long term unemployment (93 million)
3.Record number on food stamps (47 million)
4. Lowest home ownership since 1994!
5. Record high debt (18.4 million) up 45%
6. Record high rents $788. Per month
7. Record number 18-34 yr. old living with parents, up 60%.
8. Medium income for18-34 yr. olds fallen 22%.
9. Record high student debt (1 trillion)
10. Record high black unemployment 12%
11. Record high poverty level (16.5%)
The last 40 years our elected officials have rained money on the 1% rich, corporations and Wall Street. We need to reverse the justice system ruling allowing corporations to trump individual’s rights, and we need to make sure our laws serve the common good and general welfare of all the people. We are the wealthiest country in the world with 50% of our children living in poverty. Time to rain money on the people.
More Than Half of U.S. Students Living In Poverty http://economyincrisis.org/content/more-than-half-of-u-s-students-living-in-poverty
Robert Reich: THE WAGELESS RECOVERY AND THE STOCK MARKET
Stocks surged on Friday’s jobs report – but not because employers added a respectable 223,000 jobs in April (March’s report was simultaneously revised downward to only 85,000). Stocks surged because:
1. The jobs report also showed average hourly earnings rising only .1 percent -- meaning most peoples’ incomes are still going nowhere.
2. As a result, there’s no inflation in sight.
3. Stagnant wages and zero inflation means the Fed will hold off raising interest rates until the fall at the earliest.
4. Which means more savings will flow into stocks rather than bonds, continuing to fuel the stock market.
5. It also means employers are still holding down payrolls, which constitute 65% of their costs. That's enabling them to maintain profits -- also contributing to the stock market rise.
In sum: Wages are still dropping as a proportion of the U.S. economy, while profits are still growing. Most Americans continue to get none of the gains from this so-called recovery, while those who own most shares of stock (the richest 5%) are doing better than ever.
Now you might believe over 50% of those unemployed don't want a job, but I will tell you no one wants to die of hunger, exposure to the weather, or for lack of health care.
Dear anonymous.. I'm tempted to delete your answer, and let me tell you why: This whole article debunks ONE of your points: The crap about the "93 million unemployed". That's the PURPOSE of this article.. to debunk the crap that is out there about "93 million unemployed".
DeleteMy sense is that you did not bother to read ANYTHING I wrote.
I'm going to give you a few days, and if you don't bother to reply to these few questions, I'm going to delete your reply: After reading what I wrote, the whole darned article, why do you STILL think that "93 million people are "unemployed"? What's your definition of unemployed? Do you understand the official definition of unemployed?
And finally, do you believe that people should NOT be able to retire? That people who are disabled should be required to work anyway? That 16 year olds should quit school and go to work? That parents should not be able to stay home with kids if that is what they want (and are able) to do?
I'll give you until next Monday, otherwise, your reply goes. I don't mind intelligent replies here, but yours clearly is NOT very intelligent. Sorry.
"Now you might believe over 50% of those unemployed don't want a job, but I will tell you no one wants to die of hunger, exposure to the weather, or for lack of health care."
DeleteNO!!! For heaven's sake! People who are UNEMPLOYED WANT a job!! I would suggest that 100% of the people who are UNEMPLOYED WANT A JOB. They are looking for work!! That's the definition of unemployment!
People who are NOT IN THE LABOR FORCE are people who are NOT looking for work. That's why they are NOT considered "unemployed". And that makes sense... How can you get a job if you are NOT looking for work? ONE attempt to find work a month is not a high bar, for heaven's sake.
What this pie chart shows is that a very small percentage, about 2-3% of the people who are NOT IN THE LABOR FORCE (not unemployed.. there's a difference there) want a job!!!
Your comment about people dying in the cold doesn't make any sense. Of course people who need a job and are in danger of losing their homes, having their heat cut off, etc., probably DO want a job (unless they are disabled and can't work) and they are probably LOOKING FOR WORK. If they are LOOKING FOR WORK, they are UNEMPLOYED... They are not in this chart.
I will suggest that you go back, read my post and try to understand why we have so many people who not only are not working.. but don't need or want a job! It's not that hard to figure out!
But stop posting stupid Republican b.s. that "93 million people are unemployed". Unless you are a right-wing Republican, stop with the Republican talking points which are often based on ignorance and misuse of numbers.
About the "Record number of students living in poverty": First of all, "poverty" is not the same as "low income". We did have a higher percentage of kids living in poverty or in "low income households" than we have had for 50 years....based on numbers for the 2012-2013 school year. Unfortunately, many of these reports are 2 years old when they are published, so we don't know what has happened to that percentage in the past two years. As ALL numbers of economic well-being have improved quite a bit in the past two years, it's wrong to imply that this number is going to continue to increase. WE DON'T KNOW!
DeleteNow here's a good article about the subject at the Washington Post: "http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/majority-of-us-public-school-students-are-in-poverty/2015/01/15/df7171d0-9ce9-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html"> Majority of US Public school students are in poverty
The issues of low income kids and their teachers are grave, no matter how many of them there are, and there are too many.
If you read through to the bottom paragraphs, you will see that the DEMOCRATS have been trying to solve these problems by increasing funding for pre-school and provide more funding for schools with kids from poverty/low income households.
But alas the Republicans: "Republicans in Congress have been wary of new spending programs, arguing that more money is not necessarily the answer and that federal dollars could be more effective if redundant programs were streamlined and more power was given to states.
Many Republicans also think that the government ought to give tax dollars to low-income families to use as vouchers for private-school tuition, believing that is a better alternative to public schools."
Let's be clear: One of the big problems with some of these problems, the legitimate ones listed above, are REPUBLICANS who stand in the way of help.
Let me try again with this link to the Washington Post article: Majority of US Public school students are in poverty
Delete"3.Record number on food stamps (47 million)":
DeleteThe number of people on food stamps reached a peak in December 2012 with 47,800,000 people on Food Stamps. Since that time, the number of people on food stamps has decreased by about 4%. In February 2015, the last month for which we have published data, we had 45,700,000 million people on Food Stamps. This is the lowest number of people we have had on Food Stamps since about 4 years ago, when the recession was really heating up. Now, we can argue about whether or not enough people are getting enough Food Stamps, but that's a different issue. The number of people on Food Stamps is NO LONGER a record, hasn't been for two years, and it is going down fairly quickly.
If people are concerned that we don't have enough Food Stamp help for people, they can thank the REPUBLICANS for that. The Republicans in Congress have repeatedly blocked attempts to shore up food help for people.
Let me try this link: Latest SNAP numbers .
Dear Anonymous,
DeleteI do not understand what you are trying to do, as you do not seem to have a grasp of the subject matter being discussed. For example, the fact is that simply not having a job does not classify one as unemployed for purposes of program evaluation.
There is no way to verify anything you purport to be current information, including all of your statistics, as none have a working link, making them less than useless for purposes of discussion. Additionally, I observe that the one piece of information with a date on it is dated 11/2013, indicating that in all likelihood the data in the report which you didn't actually provide is probably from 2012.
It is apparent that you do not understand the basics of the subject matter being discussed. The most glaring example is that the mere fact that one does not have a job does not put him/her in the unemployed bucket.
I would suggest you do some reading on the subject matter you wish to discuss before attempting to discuss it, and provide some type of documentation of your talking points if you intend to provide such.
10. Record high black unemployment 12%
DeleteI'm not sure where you are getting your data, but I would find alternate sources of information, Anonymous, if you are concerned about being accurate. If you don't care about accuracy, just use the invalid sources that you have been using.
The PEAK of unemployment among black people occurred in 2010-2011 with unemployment rates exceeding 16%. In particular, the highest unemployment rate among black people occurred in March 2010 with an unemployment rate of 16.8%. So, no, 12% was NOT the "record" black unemployment. And the black unemployment rate was even higher during the Reagan recession of 1982/1983, when it hit 21.2% in January 1983.
Unemployment among blacks is now 9.6%, better than it has been since mid 2008.
The labor force participation rate for black people has also started to head up: It hit its recent (not "record" low) in July 2011. (The record low labor force participation for which we have numbers was back in 1976 with a labor force participation rate of 58.5%.) The recent low in July 2011 was 60.6%; now it is up to 62%.
The BLS tables for these numbers are LNS11300006 for black labor force participation and LNS14000006 for the black unemployment rate.